posted 05-08-2002 01:23 PM
Ultimate Kino Guide�For the longest time I underestimated the importance of what we call kino.� Trickynick posted 12-17-2001
Kino, a powerful and misunderstood tool in the DJ arsenal. To better understand this foreign concept I searched the DJ forum like a man on a mission. I searched over 300 threads to bring you (but mainly myself) the Ultimate Kino guide, written by the masters (and a little by me too).
What is Kino? On the board kino is referred to as non-sexual touching. Is it non-sexual? Not hardly. A better definition is affectionate touching, but for those new to Kino, think of it as non-sexual until it becomes second nature.
Lexomatic posted 10-12-2001
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Kino is one of my favorite DJ techniques, because it bypasses a lot of the verbal crap when talking to women. The best kino areas for me are the arm and the back for 'first contact' situations, and the hands and the top of the upper legs for more 'intimate' touches. The trick is in the timing and the duration. The easiest is to use it as an extension of a request as in: [stand within arm's reach of a girl you want to ask out to lunch]"Hey [reach out and touch upper arm], feel like a quick bite to eat for lunch?" [release touch]
As a tool it can be used to indicate your sexual interest in a girl and to gage her interest in you.
Pook posted 11-06-2000
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There is a single purpose for Kino: to show that you are a Sexual Being. Light touching on the arms, shoulders, upper back, forces her to think sexually about you and gives her permission to touch you similarly or to up the ante. Girls LOVE Kino.
KINO-INTIATION
TesuqueRed posted 12-09-2001
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Women mark territory (i.e., you) by touch. You can do this too.
Who initiates that first touch, thus breaking that personal space barrier? Girls are freer with kino, freely touching their friends and others they may have a stronger desire in (that�s you stud). Some say let the girl be the first to initiate it, while others say the DJ should.
At first I was inclined to say the woman should. But after reading the pro�s and con�s in this thread http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/000033.html I have to side on, let the DJ be the one.
Some worry that you might scare off a girl by initiating kino first. Nonsense. If she is in to you this will not turn her off. Second, the DJ goes for what he wants. He is not passive in this quest. Letting the girl come to you is passive. Be active.
If she was turned off, she never liked you and you never had a chance with her. You just did yourself a favor by finding out ASAP.
DarkDream (who doesn�t use kino) posted 01-12-2002
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� there are some specific reasons I don't use kino. For one, most AFC�s give a woman *way* too much kino and even do it when it is unwarranted. Touching a woman (too) frequently can turn her off and more importantly *inhibit* her touching you.
Don�t dismiss DarkDream totally, there is truth to what he says.
Pro-Kino
Dr_Feelgood posted 08-13-2001
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I read an article in Men's Health written by a woman. She said guys need to touch women as early as the first date. It lets them know you're into them.
I think how women view it varies depending on the woman. I often touch a girl first and w/ positive results. Just to see her reaction, I mean an innocent touch like on the arm or back and lightly and quickly. If she seems repulsed, I move on, forget her.I do this even if I don't know the girl or before we ever date. I was at a party recently and touched a girl on the back to nudge her forward so I could get to the keg. We had never seen each other before. After that I could see her checking me out and showing interest, she wasn't before I touched her. We ended up making out that night and have gone out 3 times since then, and now I'm expecting to fukk her on the next date.
Pook posted 11-06-2000
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If you do not initiate Kino and wait for her to do it, you are Mr. Nice Guy. This is what Nice Guys do and why they lose. They are too 'nice' and think that touching a girl will 'scare' her or show that he is too interested (by touching her it tells her that you are interested in her sexually).
Failure to do this will land you right into the "Let's Just Be Friends Zone. The girl will see you as a nice personality but sexually as a mannequin. Why? Because mannequins don't initiate Kino.Even my 'nice guy' friends, when they started initiating Kino, had full relationships BLOSSOM practically overnight. Kino is that powerful.
You TEST the girl's interest by doing Kino and seeing how she responds.
Kino is the Ultimate Interest Test. You can tell if a girl is just 'playing', 'teasing', being a 'professional dater' or truly interested by how she responds to the Kino. If she opens up her posture, mirrors your touch, etc. then she is interested and attracted to you SEXUALLY. (This is why Kino is said to be the first true step of the courtship ritual.)
If you WAIT for her to Kino first, you will: A.) Spend more money and time taking her on dates waiting for her to initiate Kino (She's waiting for THE MAN to initiate it, just as you initiated the courtship by asking for her number.) and B.) Eventually landing in "Friend" zone.
Failure to initiate Kino = Nice Guy
HOW TO KINO
DarkDream posted 02-02-2002
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Kino, at first, should be almost imperceptible and should fit the situation.
Pre-Kino � invading their personal space. For those who are timid about using kino, start with the pre-kino.
DarkDream (who doesn�t use kino) does what I call, pre-kino. posted 01-12-2002
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�I do kino in a non-touching way. How is this possible? Simple. When we are both laughing for instance, I'll lean my body close to hers, or invade her personal space at opportune moments. This type of kino I do without reservation.
If she is cool with you then she won�t step back or react negatively.
Then there is the outright touching. At first it must be almost imperceptible, subtle, casual, on some sub conscience level. This is the key. It�s not overtly outright where she or anyone else would really notice.
bclarke675 posted 12-08-2001
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To start with kino, go for light brushes or touches of the hand, arm, shoulder or back. The arm and hand touches are the safest, are least likely to be offensive. Use these touches as you're talking, to emphasize a point or elicit a response from her. The touch should be in passing and not linger more than a second. In the hand touch, if she responds and holds your hand, don't pull away, go with it. Get bolder as time goes on. Try to stay non-sexual with your touches until she initiates a sexual touch.
After you touch her, judge her reaction. If she touches you or smiles then you know your touch was acceptable and you can continue to use kino. Increase the frequency of your touches and move a little closer to share some personal space.
Lexomatic posted 10-12-2001
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Women who casually touch you when you converse with them. You should take this as a sign that she is interested in you (at least at that point, anyways ) and that you are making progress with her. Yes she may just one of those few touchy types, but why assume that when the odds are in your favor that she isn't.
If she reacts badly, like pulling away, opening a larger area of personal space between you two, or spraying you with mace and then kicking you in the balls, then chances are your kino was unwelcomed, too early, too clumsy, or she is just not interested in you. Actions speak louder than words. However, no damage is really done, so don�t worry about it. In fact you just did yourself a favor and found out what her interest really is. My advice would be to thank her for an interesting conversation and then move on. You can always come back and gage her interest gain after she sees you woo others with your DJ skills.
TesuqueRed posted 12-09-2001
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Touching is synonymous with "affection" to a woman. Check out the negative side of that: one way she expresses dislike for someone is to react with disgust at the thought of touching or being touched by a that person. This is why you pay attention to the reaction you get when you inadvertently or intentionally touch her. Sharpen your awareness by practicing it. Keep in mind her reaction could be a read on her personality (she's uptight, etc.) rather than a reflection on you.
TAG YOUR IT � KINO
DonJoey posted 01-21-2002
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Basically, use any chance you get to start kino no matter how trivial a situation you're in...even talking about going bald.
At this point you have developed a rapport with your target. You feel comfortable touching each other. Now it�s time to take it up a notch. This is Tag you�re it, Kino or The Ante Up. You touch her, she touches you. You touch her back, she touches you back, etc. If things are going well and she is interested in you sexual, this is when you are going to find out. Eventually you two should be getting very sexual with your touches. But this is a slow process, which may take several hours as you two get to know each other and get more confident around each other.
An example of the progression from non-sexual to sexual kino is as follows. An innocent or accidental brush of the hands. A point is made and you touch her arm to cement that point, you �share� a moment. She touches your arm and laughs. You excuse yourself to the restroom and as you scoot by her you place you hands on her hips. When you come back you place one hand on her and you brush by. She leans into you as you do it. You sit down, her touch is freer. She places her hand on your arm a bit longer than she really needs to, but she wants to tell you about something funny she saw or thought of while you were gone. When she is done she removes her hand and stares into your eyes. You let that silence hang in the air as you digest what she told you.
You smoothly place your hand over hers, in effect lightly pinning it to the table and say, Let�s go somewhere more blah, blah, blah, and then you look away (hand still on hers) and call the waiter over. The point is made and you remove your hand.
In this scenario, you can see many examples of Kino and how at first it is imperceptible and then moves to the more and more obvious and sexual.
De La Soul posted 04-06-2002
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Smile. Eye Contact. Kino. Killer Instinct. Done Deal.
GETTING COMFORTABLE USING KINO
Tread softly, but use it with every woman you know or meet. You may get awkward reactions at first, from girls you already know, because they are not use to you using Kino with them. If your use of Kino is correctly done and is imperceptible then this awkwardness will be reduced to a very short period.
Maranathaman posted 10-04-2001
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Now repeat after me, "I WILL do KINO on every cute girl I meet from now on"
This frequent use of Kino will prepare you for when you use it on your next seduction attempt.
bclarke675 posted 12-02-2001
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The way I got myself more comfortable with kino was by casually touching women I was interested in on the shoulder or back while I was passing them to get somewhere in a club, especially if it's crowded. Also reaching over and touching their hand or arm when making a funny point helps. It just adds emphasis and makes the joke more personal (a shared feeling).
If you find the woman's hair attractive, you can go for the hair touch, but keep in mind that this is also the beginning of the "kiss test", so you should have built some rapport with her before making this move. If she'll let you lean into her hair or ear, you're probably to that point.
Also, if you're seeing someone you've seen before, but aren't close with, a gentle handshake (almost a hand hold) is a good way to go.
Character posted 12-02-2001
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I never used kino or wasn't really flirtatious, so even if I wanted to be people would be thinkin, "Why is Character touching her?", so I always shyed away from it. In order for me to end this way of thinking I needed to slightly change my rep. This means being touchy-feely with the girls regardless of whether you are interested in them, so when you do want to use kino on the girl you're interested in you won't feel weird about it. When in convo with any girl USE KINO! Any girl, best friends, random friends, you're momma, grandma, etc... Just do it! While talking with em touch em, when you're in a playful mood, tease them and they will reciprocate and maybe lightly hit you, then you can just do the same back and it will continue for a lil while in a playful manner, when you go to sit down and talk to em sit right near em and don't be afriad to sit too close (just don't over do it). Just practice alot.
Try not to limit the kino to just a few girls but most of your friends. Also when you see a girl friend of yours enter a party or gathering or whatever give them a welcome hug. When they leave, give them a good-bye hug. Don't forget to do this with all the girls so that it's expected of you and it wouldn't seem weird at all. You will be experienced with kino and the girls will love your touch.
EXAMPLES OF KINO
THIAGO BRAZIL posted 12-08-2001
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Since I have been introduced to KINO techniques, touching people, especially girls, and business situations when I need to be trusted, my success improved more than 100%.
Kino examples
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A good one is to say "You've got something in your hair" while you brush her hair with your hand. You can then run your hand to her shoulder and down her arm as part of the brushing motion. You neg her and get kino (brushing her hair with your hand is something that you would do if you were dating her, so it's good) in one play.
Shiftkey posted 01-31-2002
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Some flirty kino things I've noticed myself doing to girls are bumping into her, purposely blocking her way, touching her shoulder to say hello or good bye, putting little pieces of trash in her back pocket (seriously!), touching the back of her neck when my hands are cold, touching her waist or shoulders when passing her, poking, and tickling. I used to be the same way as you. But I started making an effort to do kino, slowly at first, and now it's definitely a part of my personality.
Trickynick posted 12-17-2001
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When a pause came up in the conversation I slowly reached across the table and clasped my hand around hers. I stroked her palm from underneath as I complemented a ring she was wearing. She seemed quite welcoming me touching her hand, I took this as a sign of a good interest level.I stood pretty close to her while we were smoking and I reached up by her temple and preened her hair back around her ear and said, "That's a really nice earring." The thanked me for the compliment and again seemed to like the touch.
T Dog originally posted here
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When a girl shows you her tattoo or belly button ring, reach out and gently stroke it.
Jester posted 02-06-2002
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Play keep away, take something from her, and make her chase after u to get it back. Of course, you should block her so she has to jump on you to get it.Got this one from Seinfeld, IF YOU KNOW THE GIRL, try feeling the fabric of her shirt and guess what it is.
And of course, there�s always tickling.
KINO REVERSAL
The reversal is the opposite effect that Kino has on women.
If you are really good, and a girl is really into you then by not Kino-ing a girl you can raise her interest level.
Freewill posted 04-29-2002
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Once you know the girl, and start to get her interested in you, this is kind of a way to play hard to get. She's interested in you, and you deprive her of physical contact (you have to have used kino effectively previously before this can work). Therefore, because she CAN'T HAVE the physical contact, she desires it. So SHE initiates double the contact to try to get your attention. As I say, it�s a means of playing hard to get.
Also, as said before, kino is the Ultimate interest test.
TesuqueRed posted 12-09-2001
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Touching is synonymous with "affection" to a woman. Check out the negative side of that: one way she expresses dislike for someone is to react with disgust at the thought of touching or being touched by a that person. This is why you pay attention to the reaction you get when you inadvertently or intentionally touch her. Sharpen your awareness by practicing it. Keep in mind her reaction could be a read on her personality (she's uptight, etc.) rather than a reflection on you.
SUNSHINE GIRL
The Sunshine girl is one of those attention Wh*&^s that flirts endlessly with everyone. She gives all the �buy� signs, but she is not for sell. Luckily this is only about 10% of the girls that give kino.
Keymaster of Goza posted 12-27-2001
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Ahh yes, the old "Sunshine Girl trap". There's only one way to know for sure.1.You ask for her home number.
2. You ask her for a date.
3. You do some kino then move in to kiss her.
If you succeed at step 3 then you know she likes you. If she rejects step 3, you've got a Sunshine Girl on your hands. At this point you pleasantly say "Goodbye, it was fun" and never call or set up a date with her again. Any other move is a further step to the gates of misery.
ON MISSING OPPORTUNITIES
crowes22 posted 01-22-2002
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I missed a lot of opportunities by not being sexual, thinking it was rude. I don't think you have to talk sex, can if you want, but it can backfire. I prefer kino, it works wonders I think. With it you can avoid talking sex and maybe offending while you have still let the girl know you wanna fukk, very important, I wanna kick myself for not letting some know I wanted to fukk, won't happen again though. These days I let them know I wanna fukk and don't pursue, let them chase, then fukk.
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