posted 07-29-2001 12:30 PM            

The good news is that women are not attracted to "tall" men so much as they are attracted to men who are taller than they are.

So, on the initial encounter you should try to find ways to minimize your lack of height. These are a few things I have come up with. Remember these are only for the initial encounter. After that if you are trying to hide your height it will become obvious.

1) Try to approach a woman when she is sitting down rather than standing up. This way you are automatically taller than her. (Unless she is sitting at a barstool0.

2) Talking to women who are standing on or near stairs is good because you can talk to her from the stair higher than her.

3) Never approach a woman who is talking to a taller guy or who is standing in the company of taller guys. You don't want her to be comparing you to them.

4) NEVER wear vertical stripes.

5) Wear shoes with thick soles. Not ridiculously thick, but a good inch thick is good.

6) Wear light colored shirts with dark colored pants.

7) Keep your hair close cut on the sides and combed back. Even hair can add an inch or two.

This is only visual tricks to minimize shortness during the first impression. If she doesn't like you after that then she isn't worth it.

posted 07-30-2001 08:10 AM            

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Originally posted by rdl99:

The good news is that women are not attracted to "tall" men so much as they are attracted to men who are taller than they are.

And what will you do when you find a woman that you fancy, yet is taller than you?

So, on the initial encounter you should try to find ways to minimize your lack of height.

NO, NO, NO, AND NO! This is a wrong way to handle the situation. Your problem is not your lack of height but your insecurity about your height. You can try all you want to "minimize" your height but your only succeed in showing her you are ashamed about your height and thus end up fukking up your approach.

These are a few things I have come up with. Remember these are only for the initial encounter. After that if you are trying to hide your height it will become obvious.

It doesn't matter if it's for the initial encounter or not! Try to hide something as obvious as your height and it will only show that you are insecure about it and that you are trying to hide the fact. This will reveal in your behavior and manner and end up making things worse. What you really need to do is change your attitude and not make height an issue in your babe hunting. Just FORGET about the whole issue! It doesn't matter if you try to hide it in the initial encounter or not - If you try to hide it at all, it WILL be obvious.

1) Try to approach a woman when she is sitting down rather than standing up. This way you are automatically taller than her. (Unless she is sitting at a barstool0.

What happens if you want to approach a woman you like but she is standing up? Do you linger around, hoping she'll eventually sit down? What will you do if she is sitting down but gets up and she is is six inches taller than you? You are only limiting yourself by doing this.

2) Talking to women who are standing on or near stairs is good because you can talk to her from the stair higher than her.

What are the chances of this happening on average? Stop limiting yourself!

3) Never approach a woman who is talking to a taller guy or who is standing in the company of taller guys. You don't want her to be comparing you to them.

Do you see what I mean? Your insecurity about height is limiting your game. Why the fukk would you let some guys get in the way of you potentially laying a chick that you want?! Why? Because by pure chance, he happened to be genetically blessed with height? FUKK THAT! Again, STOP limiting yourself!

4) NEVER wear vertical stripes.

5) Wear shoes with thick soles. Not ridiculously thick, but a good inch thick is good.

6) Wear light colored shirts with dark colored pants.

7) Keep your hair close cut on the sides and combed back. Even hair can add an inch or two.

This is only visual tricks to minimize shortness during the first impression. If she doesn't like you after that then she isn't worth it.

rdl99

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rdl99, I apologize for ripping apart your post but this advice is just as horrible as the "just go after chicks shorter than you" advice. Both are just limiting a person and making them feel worse, and NOT helping them. I can't let the possiblity that a short person who is struggling with this, sees your post and takes it to heart. I know for a fact that if they do it will only be worse. For example, I am rather short myself, about 5'5", 5'6" and before I discovered these seduction related sites (fastseduction, pickupguide, etc.) I too heard those same "advice" for a shorter person. Let me say that they sucked and didn't help me one bit! I have been in that situation so I know what you had to deal with.

Alright, the harsh reality is for a woman, tall guy = powerful (she feels safe, secure, protected around him.) She experiences these positve emotions just by seeing him. The feelings of being protected and safe that a tall man can create is high on any woman's list of basic requirements in a man, because the truth all women want a man who is more powerful than them, a man who can protect them and make them FEEL safe, dispite what those feminazis would have you believe. This need for a stronger male is wired into them by nature and is not socially programmed into them as society may have you believe. This is why tall men are so sought after by women. It's those FEELINGS that women experience when they are with a tall guy.

So, how does knowing all this help if you happen to be short? Will, it helps in understanding the REASON behind this craze women have for taller men, and it tells you that you can still attract a woman, dispite being short, by making her FEEL safe and protected whether you are tall or not. How do you go about doing this? Well, isn't that one of the reasons why we are all here? To learn how to attract the babes that we want and NOT settle for anything less. To learn how to attract HBs dispite your wealth, looks, or fame. To learn things that the majority of the guys have no clue about. If the answer is yes, then why do you limit yourself over something as unimportant as height? This is the very same type of thing that would have hindered you when you had no clue about these sites. So why doyou still struggle with problems that should be behind you. A problem that an AFC who doesn't know any better deals with. YOU have the ADVANTAGE over the majority because you know of things that work - well, that is if you had been learning and practicing.

Quote Ross Jeffries, "The key to a woman's emotion is through capturing and leading her imagination" STOP fussing over your height and start focussing on leading a woman's imagination through your words, whether it be storytelling, patterns, etc. You need to demonstrate some value to her if you want her number, lay, whatever - you're not going to do that if your worrying about your height. If you learn this stuff, height is really no big deal. You can work around it. If you take a woman on a emotional rollercoaster, she won't care if your short, poor, ugly, etc. Females are emotional junkies! Learn to instill in a woman positve emotional states by "capturing and leading her imagination." Remember it's not everyday that she meets a guy that can do that because the rest of the guys are all relying on the typicals such as money, looks, etc.

Personally, I usually go after taller chicks. It's my way of getting back on the sterotypes and what is typical. In fact, I hope to specialize in this area. I sometimes wait to see if a chick will make a negative comment regarding my height so that I can give her a good neg, knocking her fukking pedestal from under her and bringing her back to reality.

People with issues on their height should do this because you can learn ways to deal with it instead of running away and trying to hide it. GET OVER IT AND FOCUS ON THE IMPORTANT THINGS - LIKE GETTING TO HER EMOTIONS!

posted 07-30-2001 01:44 PM            

Your physical appearance is what is always noticed first. This is your attractiveness, your level of fitness, what you wear and how you wear it, and your height.

You wear nice clothes to project that you have style, class, and sohpistication. A short man wearing clothes which are not good for short guys (i.e. baggy clothes) is like wearing stripes and polkadots together. It is a turn off. You should know how to dress for your type of body.

Dating is like going to war. Why not use every weapon and strategy to win the war? I was in no way suggesting that anyone should be ashamed of their height. I have no problem with my height and I don't weed out women by their height. But the truth is that there are women out there who will shut you down right from the start unless you throw up a smoke screen so they can get to know you before they just label you as "too short".

In the end, it all comes down to confidence. You can have the best clothes in the world but if you don't think you are good enough, no one else will either.

I think a good example of a short guy who holds himself extremely well is Bob Costas. Look at what he wears and how he acts. He is a class act. Ditto that for Michael J. Fox.

rdl99

posted 07-30-2001 01:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Panzergrenadier:
The shoes trick works good. I got a pair of shoes in Iceland that add an inch and a half to me and from looking at the shoes there is no way to tell because they look just like normal shoes. They rule! Of course when i wear them out i have to go back to Jack and Jones in Reykjavik to get another pair.

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Ha ha ha ha! I told everbody this in my tips for looking good a while back. People are closed minded here in the U.S. They'll think you're kinda fag or something... But, I'd say do it - who gives a crap.

Yeah, And I have seen a lot of tall women my height 5-11 go out with guys who are 5-7. SO I don't think it's that bad although most women I know won't ever explore that idea. But Jackal's got some good points - I don't like that Fake plaster Ross Jeffries but the idea is what counts..

posted 07-31-2001 02:59 AM            

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Originally posted by rdl99:
1)You make some good points. But it is also true that you need to get into the amusement park before you can ride the rides.

2)Your physical appearance is what is always noticed first. This is your attractiveness, your level of fitness, what you wear and how you wear it, and your height.

3)You wear nice clothes to project that you have style, class, and sohpistication. A short man wearing clothes which are not good for short guys (i.e. baggy clothes) is like wearing stripes and polkadots together. It is a turn off. You should know how to dress for your type of body.

4)Dating is like going to war. Why not use every weapon and strategy to win the war?

5)I was in no way suggesting that anyone should be ashamed of their height. I have no problem with my height and I don't weed out women by their height.

6)But the truth is that there are women out there who will shut you down right from the start unless you throw up a smoke screen so they can get to know you before they just label you as "too short".

7)In the end, it all comes down to confidence. You can have the best clothes in the world but if you don't think you are good enough, no one else will either.

I think a good example of a short guy who holds himself extremely well is Bob Costas. Look at what he wears and how he acts. He is a class act. Ditto that for Michael J. Fox.

rdl99

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1)I assume you are saying that you first need to get the approval of the woman, whether it be you being rich, tall, good looking,etc. before you can safely go about talking your shyt and seducing. Don't say anything. I know this is what you meant. Well, the problem with this frame of thinking is that YOU are trying to win HER approval. Guess what? In case you hadn't known, this is also a form of supplication. Wanting her approval is like putting the cause of your happiness, feelings of worthiness, etc. all in the hands of the girl. If you don't pass her screen and win her approval you are unhappy and feel like a loser. If she accepts you on the initial start by your height, looks, and/or money you are relieved and can then go about seducing her. Either way you depend on HER approval before you can seduce her - or to put it in your words, "you need to get into the amusement park before you can ride the rides." By supplicating like this you are giving all your power away and putting it in her hands. What you need to do is reframe your attitude and it should be YOU screening HER, rather than the other way around. When you do this she realizes that you are the prize to be pursued and you are screening her to see if she is good enough. She sees that you are not like the typical guys that always kisses her a$$ and try to gain her approval.

2)I can only partially agree with this statement. It's true that LOOKS are the first thing that a woman will judge you by but you are placing WAY too much importance on physical appearance. In fact, so much, that you would advise people that are short to try and hide something as obvious as height on the initial encounter. What you still probably don't understand is that this is actually making things far worse than if you were to just let it be and not worry and try to hide it. How? Well, when you first go up to her with this unresolved issue with your height and you're trying to hide it, you may think that it's a pretty darn good idea because you're hoping if you manage to hide that little fact in the beginning, while at the same time if you successfully attract her then later when she realize that you are below her height standards she will hopfully overlook that since she is already attracted. So what is wrong with this? What's wrong is that you are not able to seduce/attract at your best because you are too nervous and worried about your height and what she MAY be thinking about your height, and how you can make her not notice your height untill you had attracted her enough, and to top it all off you have to think about the responses you are getting and how you should best fit your approach and attract her. You're much too worried about your height and are not able to be at your best. Your insecurity and worries are zapping away all your mental energy and confidence. The best way to go about this if you happen to be short, ugly/average looking, poor,etc. is to just not let it be an issue in your PUs. You will be more effective, less worried, more confident, and more brainpower that's needed to read her responses and fit your approach to situation. You won't be thinking for two people at the same time (ie,"I need to keep her from noticing that I'm short." "Has she noticed that I'm short." "What does she think about my height?") You may be worried for nothing, when in actuallity she may not be thinking about your height at all. She may, in fact, be thinking that your too ugly or too fat, or whatever! So, it's no use making it an issue. You only end up screwing yourself. If you still think that looks are SOO important consider what Maniac High once wrote in a thread dealing with appearance. Maniac High: "I am not that particulary good looking, just soso. I am not athletic, am rather short, and have had a receding hairline since I turned 20. I can *DEFINATELY* say that chicks are not interested in me because of appearance! Maniac is not a handsome pretty boy...at all! But guess what? I PU and lay lots of HBs! Why? Because I dress well, and learned PU, SS, psychology, and am generally a fun person to be around.. I know how to manipulate a chick to make her feel the right way (and appearance is just one way to do this, but a minor way only), by how I act, touch, say ..and I make her want me!" end quote

3)I agree that more guys need to learn to dress better. Hey, it's fine to dress well, and make an effort to look your best. In fact, it's encouraged that you should dress well and take care of yourself. If dressing well will give you a bit of an edge then you should go for it. Just realize that you can only go so far with maximizing your looks. You still need to learn the various aspects of PU such as the right attitude, how to talk to a chick to make her feel positive emotions, etc. It starts becoming a problem when a person places more importance on physical appearance rather than the mental aspects of seduction. Why would someone who has been exposed to all the information in these seduction web sites, choose to regress back into their old AFC ways AFTER learning that appearance is not so important in the long run, that poeple can work around their short-comings, that even with looks, fame, and money you still need to make the woman feel positve emotions? Because a person that thinks external things are seriously necessary to get a disirable chick is precisely what a AFC is. He relies on money, looks, fame, status to try and get 'lucky.' Because that's what an AFC relies on: Luck. Hopefully, the right car, the right look will grab a girl's attention and occasionally if the guy happens to be a girl's physical type he may get laid and he gets 'lucky', because that's all it is, luck. Now, a few will stumble upon these web sites and their eyes are open to the truth and they not only learn of the reasons behind their mistake but far better methods for attracting women. Methods that doesn't rely on luck. Methods that give consistant results. Now, why would someone choose to go back to an outdated model which relies on luck. Hmmm. Perhaps, they really haven't learned anything or is just listening to too many bad advice. Appearance can only take you so far. In the end you still need to know how to get to a woman's emotion. Brief example, in my AFC days I had a number of HBs attracted to me just by my appearance alone. Of course, being uneducated then, I had no clue how to get to their emotions and eventually their attraction for me died. You see, having the right look for a particular woman will only get you through the door through which you have to be able to give her positive fellings. Forget about your hangups and focus on more important things like demonstrating personality and learning to talk in a way to get to her emotions (capture and lead her imagination.)

4)I agree that you should learn everything you can and use everything you can. This includes learning to weed out bad advice from the good ones so that you don't end up in a mess. Catch my hint? BTW, you only date women you are already sleeping. I know there are others that has already said this and for very good reason. What typically happens when you date a woman is that you end up getting no pu$$y, getting LJBFed, at the same time you had spent all that time, money, and attention and her, and WHAT did YOU get?! Nothing! Wise people give this advice to prevent you from getting used and dumped by the chick. Which is what typically happens. A chick 'dates' a clueless AFC and uses him for free rides, free dinners, etc. and dumps and LJBF him when she finds a guy that is her type or a PUA comes along and takes her on an emotional high, one after another.

5)I wonder if you realize by now, why I don't believe you. Could it be what you wrote on your first post? Gee, ya think?

6)That's right keep rationalizing. Keep making up reasons to fail and you will rarely disappoint yourself.

Frankly, I'm tired and hungry from all this writing. I don't see the point in continuing.

posted 08-01-2001 02:49 AM            

I know it seems I got a bit out of control, but I had to make my point clear as best as possible. I hoped to make it easy enough so all readers would understand.

Taking things such as appearance and wealth too seriously in your PUs can seriously fukk you up. I wanted to explain as best as I could the reasons why - because I know that a lot of people don't truly understand. It's better to leave those shortcomings to the AFCs because it is really only an obstacle for them and not for those who have learned the true ways to attract and handle women.

I am sorry if it seemed like I got out of hand.

posted 08-03-2001 08:29 PM            

Its similar to why people are attracted to healthier looking people. The healthy looking a man is, the more able he is to provide and the healthier a woman is, the more fertile she is.

posted 08-03-2001 10:09 PM            

In answer to mastat45, yes taller guys, in general, has the initial advantage over the "shorties" but I've already explained how all this really doesn't matter if you focuss on the important things. If you make it an issue in your life, it will absolutlely fukk up your performance when you're out in the feild. I went over this in depth, I'm not going to go over it again.

When you're trying to seduce a chick, stop worrying about your height, and focus on asking her questions (elicit her values) which will reveal quality information you can uses to attract her. ie, ask what she hopes for in life, if she can re-do anything in life what will it be, what she looks for in a guy, etc. After finding her values, tell a story and/or pattern that reflects what she told you. Link those feelings she experiences to you and future pace (time distort) to make her want to meet you again so that she may re-experience those feelings you gave her.

We talked this topic to death. Enough already.

posted 08-03-2001 10:37 PM            

For those with insecurities in any area of life and if it is affecting your success with women, stop running away from it and face it. It will make you stronger. Don't settle for anything less. Completely, eliminate the idea that certain chicks are "out of your league." If you don't, you will never reach your potential, and will be no better than an AFC. It will be like settling for scraps, while letting all the rich, famous, goodlooking people, get the best life has to offer (which isn't always true.)

posted 08-13-2001 10:07 PM            

To this day I wish I was shorter than I am now (6"0). With being short there's some advantages too think as a whole and not on a certain criteria. You can't say all women are going to like tall men because it gives them a sense of security. Short men were intended to be on this world just as tall men were.

Anyways stop concentrating on your height and start concentrating on something that will make you feel better .

May peace be with you

posted 09-03-2002 09:25 AM            

Its like shoes. You polish them before a business meeting because, regardless of how smooth you are with clients, you don't want to look like a bum.